FAO Woody...

[wewantourdarbyback]

FIA have announced there will be no 13th team in 2011 as none of the teams that submitted tenders met the conditions they stipulated.


Also the 2011 calender has been released. http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/09/08/indi ... e-in-2011/

[Red Diamond]

FIA have announced there will be no 13th team in 2011 as none of the teams that submitted tenders met the conditions they stipulated.


Also the 2011 calender has been released. http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/09/08/indi ... e-in-2011/

Interesting WWODB, 20 races to watch next year as well.

[wewantourdarbyback]

There will also be no extra punishment to Ferrari for the Hockenheim affair (RBR breath a sigh of relief and back Vettel again)

[CountHermanDeBanker]

There will also be no extra punishment to Ferrari for the Hockenheim affair

Well ain't that a surprise, Bernie's pet team gets off scott free again :roll:

[wewantourdarbyback]

There will also be no extra punishment to Ferrari for the Hockenheim affair

Well ain't that a surprise, Bernie's pet team gets off scott free again :roll:

I'll defend Bernie on that one, he has no interest in the WMSC.

[wewantourdarbyback]

Oh, and it was also pointed out during the hearing that at the same race two years earlier Heikki Kovalainen was given the message 'Heikki, Lewis is faster than you' by McLaren, allowed Lewis through so he could pass Massa and Piquet for the win.

This wasn't even investigated.

The rule ends here, two of Ferrari's rival teams also wrote in support of Ferrari's actions.

[CountHermanDeBanker]

There will also be no extra punishment to Ferrari for the Hockenheim affair

Well ain't that a surprise, Bernie's pet team gets off scott free again :roll:

I'll defend Bernie on that one, he has no interest in the WMSC.

No interest maybe, but it would be naive to think there was no influence.

[CountHermanDeBanker]

Oh, and it was also pointed out during the hearing that at the same race two years earlier Heikki Kovalainen was given the message 'Heikki, Lewis is faster than you' by McLaren, allowed Lewis through so he could pass Massa and Piquet for the win.

This wasn't even investigated.

The rule ends here, two of Ferrari's rival teams also wrote in support of Ferrari's actions.

I accept it is part of the sport and has happened before, and will happen again, does not mean I have to like it, and IMHO it tarnishes the sporting ethic. For those who support the drivers, those who enjoy a bet on the race outcome etc, how can this be a "fair" result for them?

Article extract from SL.com as general overview.

"In essence, Ferrari have still been found guilty of breaking the rules as the WMSC upheld the stewards' decision, and the team will also have to pay the FIA's costs towards the hearing.

But behind the closed doors of the FIA headquarters overlooking the Place de la Concorde in Paris, Ferrari were able to convince the 26-man Council the rule is unworkable and is in need of a rethink".


A rethink is too bloody right - enforce it, ban team radio contact/signal codes to in car display, pit boards limited to pos, +/- to P ahead/behind, and get F1 back to what it should be, man and car racing to win.

[wewantourdarbyback]

Well ain't that a surprise, Bernie's pet team gets off scott free again :roll:

I'll defend Bernie on that one, he has no interest in the WMSC.

No interest maybe, but it would be naive to think there was no influence.[/quote]


I'd more put that on Jean Todt, who is the head of the FIA, of which the WMSC is part, and the former head of the Ferrari race team.

[wewantourdarbyback]

I accept it is part of the sport and has happened before, and will happen again, does not mean I have to like it, and IMHO it tarnishes the sporting ethic. For those who support the drivers, those who enjoy a bet on the race outcome etc, how can this be a "fair" result for them?

Article extract from SL.com as general overview.

"In essence, Ferrari have still been found guilty of breaking the rules as the WMSC upheld the stewards' decision, and the team will also have to pay the FIA's costs towards the hearing.

But behind the closed doors of the FIA headquarters overlooking the Place de la Concorde in Paris, Ferrari were able to convince the 26-man Council the rule is unworkable and is in need of a rethink".


A rethink is too bloody right - enforce it, ban team radio contact/signal codes to in car display, pit boards limited to pos, +/- to P ahead/behind, and get F1 back to what it should be, man and car racing to win.

But, and a large part of this is devil's advocate, F1 is a team sport, and then there is an individual thing added by the WDC, which came decades after grand prix racing began.

The WMSC stated they thought Ferrari were guilty, but that no further punishment was necessary. Which, tbh, I agree wiht.

'What F1 should be' doesn't exist, the form of racing you are talking about was only invented by the 2002 ruling, before that, for 52 years, team orders were a huge part of F1. Back in the 50s/60s cars were pulled over to allow a team leading driver who's car had broken to get into his team mates car to finish and get the points.

F1 is a team sport, tbh banning team orders is like saying that Justin Edinburgh can't choose whether Dale or Joe Day is better but must allow whoever happens to be in the tunnel first to go in goal.