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Is my imaginatation going crazy or has the last post just been removed? Im sure sid just posted because i read his post and was just about to reply?

Formic wrote:My concern about this game is whether we'll be able to take a full squad if they have to travel on Friday and get back late on Saturday / Sunday. Those with jobs may struggle to get time off - or lose wages for the week.

I was thinking along those lines earlier, is it FA Vase rules that state you have to go to a replay if it's level after extra-time, because I'm sure the Ashington players would hate a replay?

corby diamond wrote:Is my imaginatation going crazy or has the last post just been removed? Im sure sid just posted because i read his post and was just about to reply?

I did post, don't know where it went!
Just wondered if any replay will have to be the following weekend, given the distance involved?

Sid wrote:

corby diamond wrote:Is my imaginatation going crazy or has the last post just been removed? Im sure sid just posted because i read his post and was just about to reply?

I did post, don't know where it went!
Just wondered if any replay will have to be the following weekend, given the distance involved?

I was going to say I hope they do a replay midweek...It would be hugely unfair to not arrange a vase replay for midweek, It wouldnt happen in the fa cup, so why should the vase be any different?

Darlington 6-1 Ashington - Northern League Division One - 2012/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N75L9cMs ... r_embedded

Ashington V RCA Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIukPZJs ... r_embedded

Ashington v Penrith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0eKlzct ... r_embedded

Ashington v Spennymoor Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-FyzAQ0 ... r_embedded

8 out of 10 cats has just been on and it doesn't require full concentration! Whilst I was watching, I did a list of vase ties and distance each away team needs to travel:

Draw No.//Home//v//Away//Distance (miles)//(Variations)
3 Ashington v AFC Rushden & Diamonds 244
9 Whitley Bay v Causeway United 230
18 Guernsey v Erith & Belvedere 221
2 Bootle or Thackley v St Ives Town or Wisbech Town 196 (B-StI=184/B-W=196/T-StI=147/T-W=136)
11 Norton United v Dunston UTS 189
30 Bodmin Town v Downton 161
28 St Blazey v Bitton 159
20 Haverhill Sports Association v Peacehaven & Telscombe 124
14 Gornal Atheltic v Boston Town 122
31 Ardley United v Newport (IW) 113
1 Shildon v Parkgate 96
22 Hadleigh United v Oxhey Jets 91
5 Shirebrook Town or Walsall Wood v Wigan Robin Park 82 (S-W=82/W-W=82)
6 Brighouse Town v Holbrook Sports 79
24 Bethnal Green United v Ely City 76
27 Larkhall Athletic or Longwell Green Sports v Kidlington 74 (LA-K=71/LG-K=74)
12 Sutton Town v Spalding United 68
4 Rocester v Southam United or Long Eaton United 67 (R-S=67/R-L=31)
23 Binfield v Tunbridge Wells 65
19 Croydon v Littlehampton Town or Hanworth Villa 58 (C-L=58/C-H=20)
7 AFC Wulfrunians v Borrowash Victoria 51
32 Horndean v Bemerton Heath Harlequins 51
17 Amersham Town v South Park 47
16 Lordswood v Southend Manor 46
13 Barnoldswick Town v AFC Emley 44
25 Ampthill Town v Hertford Town 40
21 Enfield 1893 v Dunstable Town 36
26 Colliers Wood United v Ascot United 33
29 GE Hamble v Blackfield & Langley 26
10 Spennymoor Town v Billingham Synthonia 21
8 Winsford United v Runcorn Town 18
15 Brightlingsea Regent v Brantham Athletic 6


I wonder if we get a prize for being the team with the furthest to travel?

Also found this on non-league matters, explaining the draw sections:

F.A. Vase 3rd Round draw

Draw released Monday 19th November 2012
Ties to be played Saturday 8th December 2012

St. Ives Town or Wisbech Town moved from East Region to North
Kidlington and Ardley United both moved from South Region to West

North and Midlands Regions amalgamated
East and South Regions amalgamated

Despite the amalgamations, other than three teams above that have been re-located,
only seven ties (3, 5, 6, 9, 11, 16 & 20) are between teams that were in different
regions for the previous round.

Ties between clubs from the same league & division are no's 8, 10, 19(TBC), 25, 29 & 32

Only one tie guarantees progress for a non step 5 side - no. 7

Total of 70 clubs remain
56 Step 5, 12 Step 6 and 2 Step 7
(two postponements and four replays all playing on Tuesday 20th)

Club, County, Step, League

NORTH & MIDLANDS REGION
01 Shildon DUR 5 North 1 v Parkgate S&H 5 N Co E P
02 Bootle LIV 5 NW Co P or Thackley YOW 5 N Co E P v St. Ives Town HUN 5 Utd Co P or Wisbech Town CAM 5 E Co P
03 Ashington NUM 5 North 1 v A.F.C. Rushden & Diamonds NHA 6 Utd Co 1
04 Rocester STA 5 Mid All 1 v Southam United BIR 6 Mid Co P or Long Eaton United DER 5 N Co E P
05 Shirebrook Town DER 6 N Co E 1 or Walsall Wood STA 6 Mid Co P v Wigan Robin Park LAN 5 NW Co P
06 Brighouse Town YOW 5 N Co E P v Holbrook Sports DER 6 EM Co 1
07 A.F.C. Wulfrunians BIR 6 WM P v Borrowash Victoria DER 6 EM Co 1
08 Winsford United CHE 5 NW Co P v Runcorn Town CHE 5 NW Co P
09 Whitley Bay NUM 5 North 1 v Causeway United BIR 5 Mid All 1
10 Spennymoor Town DUR 5 North 1 v Billingham Synthonia DUR 5 North 1
11 Norton United STA 5 NW Co P v Dunston U.T.S. DUR 5 North 1
12 Sutton Town NOT 7 CM S v Spalding United LIN 5 Utd Co P
13 Barnoldswick Town LAN 5 NW Co P v A.F.C. Emley S&H 6 N Co E 1
14 Gornal Athletic BIR 5 Mid All 1 v Boston Town LIN 5 Utd Co P

SOUTH & EAST REGION
15 Brightlingsea Regent ESS 6 E Co 1 v Brantham Athletic SFK 5 E Co P
16 Lordswood KEN 5 Kent P v Southend Manor ESS 5 Ex Sr P
17 Amersham Town B&B 6 SSM 1 v South Park SRY 5 C Co P
18 Guernsey GSY 5 C Co P v Erith & Belvedere KEN 5 Kent P
19 Croydon SRY 5 C Co P v Littlehampton Town SSX 6 Sx Co 2 or Hanworth Villa MID 5 C Co P
20 Haverhill Sports Association SFK 7 E&SB P v Peacehaven & Telscombe SSX 5 Sx Co 1
21 Enfield 1893 MID 5 Ex Sr P v Dunstable Town BED 5 SSM P
22 Hadleigh United SFK 5 E Co P v Oxhey Jets HRT 5 SSM P
23 Binfield B&B 5 Hell P v Tunbridge Wells KEN 5 Kent P
24 Bethnal Green United LON 5 Ex Sr P v Ely City CAM 5 E Co P
25 Ampthill Town BED 5 SSM P v Hertford Town HRT 5 SSM P
26 Colliers Wood United SRY 5 C Co P v Ascot United B&B 5 Hell P

WEST REGION
27 Larkhall Athletic SOM 5 West P or Longwell Green Sports GLO 5 West P v Kidlington OXF 5 Hell P
28 St. Blazey COR 6 SWP P v Bitton GLO 5 West P
29 G.E. Hamble HAM 5 Wx P v Blackfield & Langley HAM 5 Wx P
30 Bodmin Town COR 6 SWP P v Downton WIL 5 Wx P
31 Ardley United OXF 5 Hell P v Newport (IoW) HAM 5 Wx P
32 Horndean HAM 5 Wx P v Bemerton Heath Harlequins WIL 5 Wx P

As I'm on the road at the moment I don't have easy access to the Vase Rules but I wondered how the economics work.
I seem to recall gate receipts being split after expenses, and various extra travel expenses could be claimed for long journeys. At this level it looks more than possible that expenses could exceed receipts. Is that regarded as the participating clubs' problem? If so it might mean a club with limited resources is less inclined to win a replay if they face a huge trip in the next round at considerable expense.

Formic wrote:As I'm on the road at the moment I don't have easy access to the Vase Rules but I wondered how the economics work.
I seem to recall gate receipts being split after expenses, and various extra travel expenses could be claimed for long journeys. At this level it looks more than possible that expenses could exceed receipts. Is that regarded as the participating clubs' problem? If so it might mean a club with limited resources is less inclined to win a replay if they face a huge trip in the next round at considerable expense.

Any profit/loss is split 50/50 between the competing clubs after referee's expenses and away team travel/accommodation expenses have been deducted from the gate receipts. Of course, you could get a situation like you mention above, although the £1500 given to the 3rd Round winners would probably more than make up for any losses!

Interestingly, I'm keen to see where our officials come from for the Ashington game. For the Fakenham game they were from Cambridgeshire, midway between Northants and Norfolk; for Basford they came from Leicestershire, midway between Northants and Notts. Midway between us and Ashington is Sheffield/Doncaster sort of area, so the officials travelling expenses could wipe out most of the gate receipts straight away!

Plus with our team expenses on top, it may mean Ashington being out of pocket, as they usually get crowds of 200.
I wonder if they would want to switch the tie ;) 8-)