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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

Post by STAGMAN »

Looking at the crowd figures i would think approx 300 + AFC fans , great turn out . I think a lot of sides would like us to stay up for oyr away support alone
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

Post by fentiger79 »

The support was amazing, everywhere you looked there were Rushden fans. It was like the games of old. Only Corby and ourselves have this type of away support, I’m sure clubs in our league would like us to stay.
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

Post by sussexdiamond »

If club resigns before season end surely it's up to the league. And season has not ended until play offs completed. Otherwise it goes to FA.
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

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This is the FA National League Regulations.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 0PnMk79Rod

The definition of "the Playing Season" is abit vague but the way I read the below, it's irrelevant, it's down to the League Committee.

End of the Playing Season

5.5.1 (a) Where a Club notifies its decision to resign from its League at the end of the Playing Season, then a vacancy is created on the date the notification of that decision is formally recorded by that League. Such resignation can only be withdrawn by the end of that Playing Season with the consent of the Board of that League.
(b) In all cases, that Club is treated as a relegated Club. The final table of that division is not affected.
(c) In cases where the vacancy is created after the end of the Playing Season but before the League’s AGM, the vacancy will be filled in accordance with Regulation 5.5.2 below.

5.5.2 (a) Where a vacancy occurs at Step 1 and Step 2 following the completion of a Playing Season the best ranked Club in a relegation position is reprieved.
(b) Where a vacancy arises at Step 3 to 6 following the completion of a Playing Season it shall be dealt with at the sole discretion of the Committee.
(c) Where a vacancy occurs at Step 3 and 4 after the allocations for the following season have been published and prior to the holding of the League’s AGM. The vacancy created shall be dealt with at the sole discretion of the Committee in order to minimise
disruption.
(d) Where a vacancy occurs after the date of a League AGM then a League is not able to replace the Club(s) concerned for the following Playing Season.

Prior to the end of a Playing Season

5.5.3 (a) In cases where the vacancy is created prior to the end of the Playing Season, at Steps 1 and 2 the vacancy will be filled by the best ranked Club in a relegation position at the end of the Regular Season, eligible of being reprieved in that same division. In the
event of there being more vacancies than Clubs eligible to be reprieved, such vacancy or vacancies will be filled by Clubs eligible to be reprieved in the Competition’s other division(s) on a points per match ratio. At Steps 3 to 6, the vacancies shall be filled at the sole discretion of the Committee.
(b) Where, prior to the end of the Playing Season, a Club notifies its decision to resign from its League with immediate effect or where a Club is removed from the League for any reason, then the playing record of that Club will be expunged and a vacancy is created
on the date the resignation or removal is formally recorded by that League.
(c) In all such cases that Club is treated as a relegated Club and the vacancy will be filled in
accordance with 5.5.3(a) above.
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

Post by Pigman »

It’s like “promotion VAR” isn’t it - can we celebrate, can’t we? I guess we’ll have to await a decision and announcement by the league, could take until their AGM I guess.

Whatever happens - bloody well done to the players and management for taking it to the last day - that 19th spot could prove invaluable!
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Post by Olly »

I was going to say a load of 'what ifs' as I can't get over how there are four teams on 32 points and our relegation (TBC!) you could say was decided on that run of three games where we let in 16 goals, the ridiculous penalty given against us at Boldmere, or going further back, what if the officials had given the goal at the end at home to Hinckley, but that incredibly may not matter now.

Whatever league we are in, firstly of course I hope Michael Harriman wants to continue here, but secondly, I really hope that the last few months and the team spirit that the the team built over this excellent period of playoff form counts for something and at least some of this team remain with us next season, even if we get to stay at step 4, I can see this team (if they were to remain together) being closer to the top end of the table than the bottom for sure. They deserve so much credit for how they've ended the season, it wasn't plain sailing today and we rode our luck, but fought hard as always and a solid 2-0 win on the day. I now feel a lot more positive than I did on the drive home, but won't celebrate until we hear something official from the NPL or club that we are to stay up.

On a slight tangent, why were there police outside the ground 20 minutes after the game had ended?
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

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Rushdenjim wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:39 pm This is the FA National League Regulations.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 0PnMk79Rod

The definition of "the Playing Season" is abit vague but the way I read the below, it's irrelevant, it's down to the League Committee.

End of the Playing Season

5.5.1 (a) Where a Club notifies its decision to resign from its League at the end of the Playing Season, then a vacancy is created on the date the notification of that decision is formally recorded by that League. Such resignation can only be withdrawn by the end of that Playing Season with the consent of the Board of that League.
(b) In all cases, that Club is treated as a relegated Club. The final table of that division is not affected.
(c) In cases where the vacancy is created after the end of the Playing Season but before the League’s AGM, the vacancy will be filled in accordance with Regulation 5.5.2 below.

5.5.2 (a) Where a vacancy occurs at Step 1 and Step 2 following the completion of a Playing Season the best ranked Club in a relegation position is reprieved.
(b) Where a vacancy arises at Step 3 to 6 following the completion of a Playing Season it shall be dealt with at the sole discretion of the Committee.
(c) Where a vacancy occurs at Step 3 and 4 after the allocations for the following season have been published and prior to the holding of the League’s AGM. The vacancy created shall be dealt with at the sole discretion of the Committee in order to minimise
disruption.
(d) Where a vacancy occurs after the date of a League AGM then a League is not able to replace the Club(s) concerned for the following Playing Season.

Prior to the end of a Playing Season

5.5.3 (a) In cases where the vacancy is created prior to the end of the Playing Season, at Steps 1 and 2 the vacancy will be filled by the best ranked Club in a relegation position at the end of the Regular Season, eligible of being reprieved in that same division. In the
event of there being more vacancies than Clubs eligible to be reprieved, such vacancy or vacancies will be filled by Clubs eligible to be reprieved in the Competition’s other division(s) on a points per match ratio. At Steps 3 to 6, the vacancies shall be filled at the sole discretion of the Committee.
(b) Where, prior to the end of the Playing Season, a Club notifies its decision to resign from its League with immediate effect or where a Club is removed from the League for any reason, then the playing record of that Club will be expunged and a vacancy is created
on the date the resignation or removal is formally recorded by that League.
(c) In all such cases that Club is treated as a relegated Club and the vacancy will be filled in
accordance with 5.5.3(a) above.

Does anyone know when the league committee/ATM is going to be. Thanks
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

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Surely you only get an in league reprieve, nor across all Step 4 leagues, if the resigning club goes 'in season' and is therefore suggested to finish bottom. That pushes us up.

But, that can't happen here? You'd have to expunge their results? Sphinx got 4 points off them. No ways that change happens?

I suspect the reprieve goes to PPG across all Step 4 leagues via the League Allocation at the FA, unfortunately?

"then the playing record of that Club will be expunged and a vacancy is created"
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Re: [ Sat 27th Apr ] v Walsall Wood, KO 3pm NPLD1M AWAY

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Everyweeker wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:16 pm Surely you only get an in league reprieve, nor across all Step 4 leagues, if the resigning club goes 'in season' and is therefore suggested to finish bottom. That pushes us up.

But, that can't happen here? You'd have to expunge their results? Sphinx got 4 points off them. No ways that change happens?

I suspect the reprieve goes to PPG across all Step 4 leagues via the League Allocation at the FA, unfortunately?

"then the playing record of that Club will be expunged and a vacancy is created"
I am very confident that we will be offered a reprieve here, there are precedents for this.

Whatever way you look at it, we currently sit in 4th position on the step 4 PPG table. There are currently 4 reprieves up for grabs due to the earlier resignations of Markse and Nuneaton, & the announcements from New Salamis and Loughborough that they will be taking voluntary relegation/folding.

The spreadsheet made by Peter Miller, available to view via this link:
also has us in line for a reprieve.

By the logic I am applying to our situation, Stowmarket (in New Salamis league) are also to be offered a reprieve, but the rumour is that they will reject it because of their abysmal season. If they do reject, it will be offered to Hednesford as per the PPG table (but that’s besides the point).

If the logic that you are suggesting is correct, then the reprieves from New Salamis & Loughborough will be offered to 3rd and 4th in the PPG table. So we will get a reprieve anyway.

Hope that makes sense.
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