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Let's not give in just yet folks!!


The general vibes on here just lately, myself included, seem to suggest we're already given in! At this very moment in time we still have a club to support. I know things are looking extremely bleak, but "where theres a will, theres a way!" and all that. If we can survive as Rushden & Diamonds Football Club, regardless of what league we're in and where we play our games we've still got a chance of getting back to where we want to be, because we've got the fan base. If we did survive, you never know in year or two or even 5 years, there could always be the next 'money-man' who can see the potential to invest.

Theres no two ways about it the Beasants NEED to be run-out and removed from the board, how do we do this? With the Besants removed it would be so much easier to deal with the creditors, because there certainly not going to do it. If we could then somehow, (loan from KC?) pay off HMRC the £189,000 and negotiate with Cloverdale, then Im sure the other creditors, the main one being KC would be more lenient with time scales of repayment. With the money KC will getting from K*ttering for rent, and we somehow manage to secure Southern League status, then surely KC could afford to let us the stadium, (even pitch 2, depending on ground criteria) for a hugely reduced price?


If all else fails, I say use the 50 odd grand raised by the supporters (if the donating supporters are happy to do so) for rent/development of Hayden Road or even merge with R&H as 'Rushden Diamonds Football Club'


Apologies for rambling on, I just cant stop thinking about things and this helps me clear my head somewhat. :?
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The problem with Diamonds and Nene Park is, without a rich benefactor the club isn't sustainable on the crowds and revenues we are now getting, there is too many over heads and the club as it is now is just leaking money left right and center.

No business man is going to touch it with a barge poll; in some ways the only way the team can be saved is by it going into liquidation and being re formed down the pyramid and I hate to say this on Pitch Two at the UCL level.

Max created a club that without Max is completely unsustainable.

As a comparison, the trust taking over the club and running it in the Southern League at Nene Park is like a family of four on benefits driving around in a Rolls Royce Phantom which just drinks petrol like its going out of fashion.

I'd hate to see the club die and K*ttering move into Nene Park but without a rich benefactor the club doesn't have a future at Nene Park.
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TwinkleToesTomlin wrote:Let's not give in just yet folks!!


The general vibes on here just lately, myself included, seem to suggest we're already given in! At this very moment in time we still have a club to support. I know things are looking extremely bleak, but "where theres a will, theres a way!" and all that. If we can survive as Rushden & Diamonds Football Club, regardless of what league we're in and where we play our games we've still got a chance of getting back to where we want to be, because we've got the fan base. If we did survive, you never know in year or two or even 5 years, there could always be the next 'money-man' who can see the potential to invest.

Theres no two ways about it the Beasants NEED to be run-out and removed from the board, how do we do this? With the Besants removed it would be so much easier to deal with the creditors, because there certainly not going to do it. If we could then somehow, (loan from KC?) pay off HMRC the £189,000 and negotiate with Cloverdale, then Im sure the other creditors, the main one being KC would be more lenient with time scales of repayment. With the money KC will getting from K*ttering for rent, and we somehow manage to secure Southern League status, then surely KC could afford to let us the stadium, (even pitch 2, depending on ground criteria) for a hugely reduced price?


If all else fails, I say use the 50 odd grand raised by the supporters (if the donating supporters are happy to do so) for rent/development of Hayden Road or even merge with R&H as 'Rushden Diamonds Football Club'


Apologies for rambling on, I just cant stop thinking about things and this helps me clear my head somewhat. :?
I am with you TwinleToes. I have not given up all hope.

The situation is clearly bleak and some very unfortunate people wrongly stand to lose money out of the demise of Rushden and Diamonds. Others will surely benefit. Japanese white knight - not so sure, K*ttering at NP more sure.

I am not sure that there will be a R&D next season in any league but if that is the case why not look as indicated by others to 2012/13 and use next year as a fund raising year,profile building year, sponsorship seeking year and look at how these activities can keep going year on year. For those saying they will not watch the other team at NP perhaps they could put their time to good use in the above activities. If the already donated money can be put into the kitty we would already be off to a flyer.If those supporters staying away next year were willing to donate their ticket mony they will not be spending or even some of it then the coffers would continue to grow.

There would surely be no reason why the option of continued use of NP could not be explored and if the webtoes are playing 'away' games at NP then the running costs would be reduced if a ground share is agreed - ground share does not offend me.

There were numerous skills that people have volunteered in recent weeks and by making best use of these a sustainable R&D can be built for the future even without a rich sugar daddy. I would be willing to give up my time for the cause and donate some cash.It would not be easy but surely is achievable

Of course I would still rather see Diamonds playing in the coming season at NP but will be will be.
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If the worse happens i agree with you Jaff about using the 50k or so to merge with Rushden & Higham & looking at using Hayden Road, although the ground would need a lot of attention. Im pretty sure we could attract crowds of 400 + on a regular basis and have the potential to challenge in the UCL & aim towards the southern league.
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TwinkleToesTomlin wrote: Theres no two ways about it the Beasants NEED to be run-out and removed from the board, how do we do this? With the Besants removed it would be so much easier to deal with the creditors, because there certainly not going to do it. If we could then somehow, (loan from KC?) pay off HMRC the £189,000 and negotiate with Cloverdale, then Im sure the other creditors, the main one being KC would be more lenient with time scales of repayment. With the money KC will getting from K*ttering for rent, and we somehow manage to secure Southern League status, then surely KC could afford to let us the stadium, (even pitch 2, depending on ground criteria) for a hugely reduced price?

The saveRDFC group in fact proposed this very option this week!
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Diamond_ Wolf wrote:If the worse happens i agree with you Jaff about using the 50k or so to merge with Rushden & Higham & looking at using Hayden Road, although the ground would need a lot of attention.
That would be a merged club and no different to merging with K*ttering in the eyes of many fans who donated and pledged season ticket money purely to save the current RDFC.
Hayden Road would be unsuitable for any level other than UCL as was the case in 1992 when they were demoted from the Southern League through grading issues. In any event 50k would not get you much building work at today's prices.
Support from Rushden/Higham/Irthlingborough has always been poor, even in the glory days, with many travelling from further afield to support the Diamonds.
If the worse happens and RDFC are no more and the Club is liquidated and locals refuse to watch those from up the A6 play at Nene Park then I would suggest they go and support Rushden & Higham next season.
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It will be back to Hayden Road for me and my Dad, he first took me when I was 15.
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TwinkleToesTomlin wrote:Let's not give in just yet folks!!


The general vibes on here just lately, myself included, seem to suggest we're already given in! At this very moment in time we still have a club to support. I know things are looking extremely bleak, but "where theres a will, theres a way!" and all that. If we can survive as Rushden & Diamonds Football Club, regardless of what league we're in and where we play our games we've still got a chance of getting back to where we want to be, because we've got the fan base. If we did survive, you never know in year or two or even 5 years, there could always be the next 'money-man' who can see the potential to invest.

Theres no two ways about it the Beasants NEED to be run-out and removed from the board, how do we do this? With the Besants removed it would be so much easier to deal with the creditors, because there certainly not going to do it. If we could then somehow, (loan from KC?) pay off HMRC the £189,000 and negotiate with Cloverdale, then Im sure the other creditors, the main one being KC would be more lenient with time scales of repayment. With the money KC will getting from K*ttering for rent, and we somehow manage to secure Southern League status, then surely KC could afford to let us the stadium, (even pitch 2, depending on ground criteria) for a hugely reduced price?


If all else fails, I say use the 50 odd grand raised by the supporters (if the donating supporters are happy to do so) for rent/development of Hayden Road or even merge with R&H as 'Rushden Diamonds Football Club'


Apologies for rambling on, I just cant stop thinking about things and this helps me clear my head somewhat. :?
I admire your positivity and I agree I really hope we can use the money raised for a new club or a sort of new club to support in the future, as the thing that really worries me is that many people on here seem to think that a new club wouldn't be possible, of course there are significant obstacles like the ground situation and the fact that maybe we would have lost momentum and interest by the time it gets to the 2012/3 season but I'd certainly rather we try and figure something out and that we have something to look forward to even if we do have to have a season of no club to watch.

And I agree with stalin's point about Max, he's a legend for creating what he did and he couldn't be around forever so I'm not blaming him at all, but by creating such a large and expensive to run club and leaving it, he's effectively killed the club he created as its clear now the club couldn't run for much longer without his backing or someone else's significant backing.
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Lots of people have said if they won the lottery they would buy the club straight away, why?

Why would anybody with £10 million in the bank want to piss 2 or 3 million pounds away over the next 5 - 10 year's. As a business the club is a coughing and spluttering dinosaur on its last legs hurtling towards extinction.

I wouldn't buy the club and I don't expect anybody else to step forward and save it; its not like we've got a large fanbase or own our own ground or even have League Football to fall back on.
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