R & D Trust AGM announced

[tech_head]

The context is important here though. The 1% vote (which I can't actually recall being asked for a show of hands on) would have come after being told that the someone had contacted KC with the suggestion of starting up a phoenix club but had subsequently given up over a lack of support. When you view it in that context it's not surprising that people would view the phoenix as a non-starter and our "friends" from KTFC as an option

I was that person that contacted KC a number of times about the phoenix during the last few weeks of RDFC as we started on the very early plans. At the last meeting chaired by KC at NP I was due to attend with AndyKirkup and put our case forward to the fans about the possibility of a phoenix club but it became clear during the days leading up to this meeting, that is was going to be a sham! In fact the meeting was not about trying to save RDFC or help generate support for a phoenix, but was being called in order to get a show of hands towards the "who wants to continue to see football at NP question"

We didn't want to have anything to do with that meeting so we pulled out that day. By no means had we given up due to a lack of support and this has been reported incorrectly. We just didn't want to be part of that meeting and hence didn't even attend.

Formic, we've spoken a number of times on the phone and I feel the same way as you on a number of issues but think as pointed out by other people on this thread we should urge all Trust members that now support the AFC to go and make sure we have a voice, and a vote so please do try and attend.

[luckyfour]

Does anyone know of any alternative proposals for the money, other than supporting AFC ?

Does anyone know the views of any ex- RDFC trust members that are not behind the AFC ?

[Three of Diamonds]

Does anyone know of any alternative proposals for the money, other than supporting AFC ?

Does anyone know the views of any ex- RDFC trust members that are not behind the AFC ?

On the first question I should imagine the Dale Roberts Memorial fund could be an option, but we should remember that this money was collected for the football club in the first instance. Considering the Memorial Cup that AFC have now set up, we have shown this club is the only cause the money should go to IMO. It's the only functioning football club called Rushden & Diamonds !

[therushden]

what? you mean a community club? a club for the fans. personally i can't see where else it should go, bar afc r&d. ticks all the boxes.

[Diamondsiy]

what? you mean a community club? a club for the fans. personally i can't see where else it should go, bar afc r&d. ticks all the boxes.

+1

[Formic]

The context is important here though. The 1% vote (which I can't actually recall being asked for a show of hands on) would have come after being told that the someone had contacted KC with the suggestion of starting up a phoenix club but had subsequently given up over a lack of support. When you view it in that context it's not surprising that people would view the phoenix as a non-starter and our "friends" from KTFC as an option

I was that person that contacted KC a number of times about the phoenix during the last few weeks of RDFC as we started on the very early plans. At the last meeting chaired by KC at NP I was due to attend with AndyKirkup and put our case forward to the fans about the possibility of a phoenix club but it became clear during the days leading up to this meeting, that is was going to be a sham! In fact the meeting was not about trying to save RDFC or help generate support for a phoenix, but was being called in order to get a show of hands towards the "who wants to continue to see football at NP question"

We didn't want to have anything to do with that meeting so we pulled out that day. By no means had we given up due to a lack of support and this has been reported incorrectly. We just didn't want to be part of that meeting and hence didn't even attend.

Formic, we've spoken a number of times on the phone and I feel the same way as you on a number of issues but think as pointed out by other people on this thread we should urge all Trust members that now support the AFC to go and make sure we have a voice, and a vote so please do try and attend.

Thanks for putting that info in the public domain TH - perhaps it will help a few of our more naive fans to realise what was going on prior to the closure of the club.

To those who question where else the Trust Funds might go, they might think again about the poor creditors of R&DFC who've ended up with nothing. There was an original announcement that funds were to be used to sponsor the former R&DFC Youth Team members through their second year of education / training - I'm not sure whether that happened.

Regarding the agenda, there is no specific confirmation there will be a vote on where funds might be used - and such a decision might need to involve the entire membership.

Regarding your last point TH, I'm afraid I would have walked out well before any vote was taken, as I wouldn't be prepared to listen to the spin that will undoubtedly be spun on certain events during the 2011/12 season.

[Pigman]

Tony, I think most of us that night were just so stunned by the audacity of the man and his side-kick, who just wanted football played at Nene Park at all costs (I wonder why :roll: ) and who kept bleating on about the wonderful legacy left by Max.

As I've said before, NP is a wonderful stadium, but its not Max's main legacy - thats the fans who are working hard to keep the club's name alive.

Whilst I fully understand why you mention creditors as a potential recipient of the Trust's Funds, I will say the debts incurred by the football club are not those of the Trust. I feel for those people as much as anyone, but the right and proper place for that money is with AFC, to help it get off the ground and flourish. I would reckon that there is something in the Constitution that clearly states what the funds can be used for - paying off another businesses debts would not be one of them I would suggest.

If the decision of the members is not to pass the money to AFC, and it is the members who will have the say on that, then personally I would like to see it go to Dale's Trust - but I'm not a Trust member so won't have a say.

I'm not sure what the Constitution says about winding up of the Trust, but there will be something clearly written saying what should happen to the money - the Trustees will have to follow that.

[Formic]

The original Trust had a constitution which stated:

105. The Society may be dissolved by the consent of three-quarters of the members who sign an instrument of dissolution in the form provided by Treasury Regulations or by winding-up in the manner provided by the Act.
106. If on the winding up or dissolution of the Society there remains, after the satisfaction of all its debts and liabilities any property whatsoever the same is to be transferred to:
a. a sporting charity or sporting charities operating in the Area; and/or
b. one or more societies established for the benefit of the community operating in the Area; and/or
c. one or more societies established for the benefit of the community
in each case as determined by the members at a meeting called to decide the issue. Nothing belonging to the Society shall be transferred to any other society unless that society has in its rules a rule substantially in the terms of this Rule.

It would thus seem reasonable to transfer funds to the AFC Society if the current trust still has this constitution.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid= ... ODU2&hl=en

[Pigman]

Thanks Tony, thought it'd say something like that.

[Arendee]

The context is important here though. The 1% vote (which I can't actually recall being asked for a show of hands on) would have come after being told that the someone had contacted KC with the suggestion of starting up a phoenix club but had subsequently given up over a lack of support. When you view it in that context it's not surprising that people would view the phoenix as a non-starter and our "friends" from KTFC as an option

I was that person that contacted KC a number of times about the phoenix during the last few weeks of RDFC as we started on the very early plans. At the last meeting chaired by KC at NP I was due to attend with AndyKirkup and put our case forward to the fans about the possibility of a phoenix club but it became clear during the days leading up to this meeting, that is was going to be a sham! In fact the meeting was not about trying to save RDFC or help generate support for a phoenix, but was being called in order to get a show of hands towards the "who wants to continue to see football at NP question"

We didn't want to have anything to do with that meeting so we pulled out that day. By no means had we given up due to a lack of support and this has been reported incorrectly. We just didn't want to be part of that meeting and hence didn't even attend.

Formic, we've spoken a number of times on the phone and I feel the same way as you on a number of issues but think as pointed out by other people on this thread we should urge all Trust members that now support the AFC to go and make sure we have a voice, and a vote so please do try and attend.

Thanks for putting that info in the public domain TH - perhaps it will help a few of our more naive fans to realise what was going on prior to the closure of the club.

To those who question where else the Trust Funds might go, they might think again about the poor creditors of R&DFC who've ended up with nothing. There was an original announcement that funds were to be used to sponsor the former R&DFC Youth Team members through their second year of education / training - I'm not sure whether that happened.

Regarding the agenda, there is no specific confirmation there will be a vote on where funds might be used - and such a decision might need to involve the entire membership.

Regarding your last point TH, I'm afraid I would have walked out well before any vote was taken, as I wouldn't be prepared to listen to the spin that will undoubtedly be spun on certain events during the 2011/12 season.

Why were the fans Naive? Powerless, helpless and uninformed maybe.